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Meeting_2009-03-02

Meeting setup

  • Date: 2.3.2009
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

  • the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
  • the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 12: 17.

Present: Børre, David, Jovsset, Maja Lisa, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Ciprian

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
    • not done
  • improve OOo instructions for leaflet
    • not done
  • work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
    • not done
  • leaflet: add Linux info
    • not done
  • gt/Makefile remake
  • meeting to go through the 1-page version Feb. 11, at 9: 30 Norw. time
    • done
  • Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
    • not done
  • fix bugs!

Ciprian

  • close the open SVN repository at requested paths
    • todo
  • improve processing of new corpus documents
    • todo
  • make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
    • ongoing
  • take care of the error logging during conversion process
    • todo
  • look at the xml conversion quality
    • todo
  • make a list of (general and special) problems related with converting docs into xml-forat and adding them to the corpora
    • todo
  • continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for lexicon working (no xml-file editing via text editors!)
    • ongoing (this is urgently needed, as far as my last expericences)
  • build the intelligent sma: nob dict in mac-format
    • already done, just some polishig work and a source bug check
  • build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
    • done (however, the UiT gang agreed on some extensings and improvments of the version)
  • infrastructure remake - news discussion
    • restarting this week
  • end user documentation (how to download and install) - dictionaries
    • done
  • fix bugs!
    • todo

David

  • continue gathering sma corpus texts
  • prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
    • prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
  • stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
  • Translate light version contract to swedish
  • find a conference location for our sma seminar in Trondheim
  • contact the sami radio about older manuscrips
  • call Anne-Grethe Bientie and Bierna Bientie about bible texts
  • call Š-blađđi about south saami texts
  • reupload the Dejpeladtje muvhth vätnoeh jih vuekie text, which is corrected, into the corpus repository
  • meeting to go through the 1-page version Feb. 11, at 9: 30 Norw. time
  • prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome

Jovsset

  • get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
  • Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version. Possible through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi.
  • write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
  • leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office. Review especially the select sami language part.
  • Write installation instructions for word 2003
  • better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
  • work with missing lists

Per-Eric

  • follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
    • Not done, tried to contact her, but no answer
  • Call Gøran Matias Andersen about his smj texts
    • I have called, but no answer from him yet
  • fix bugs!
    • Nothing done

Maja

  • contact NRK Nord-Trøndelag about recordings in sma and broadcast manuscripts
  • nytt adjektiv-møte?
  • send Fritz Jakobssen a contract

Saara

  • map oahpa.uit.no to victorio.uit.no/oahpa/
  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)

Sjur

  • name db/risten.no
    • todo
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
    • todo
  • InDesign documentation
    • todo
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
    • todo
  • Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
    • todo
  • subcontractor work for sma proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
    • done, waiting for more documents before signing the contract
  • support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
    • waiting for answer
  • Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
    • waiting for answer
  • contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office releases
    • waiting for answer
  • leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
    • todo
  • leaflet: add InDesign text
    • todo
  • meeting to go through the 1-page version Feb. 11, at 9: 30 Norw. time
    • done
  • set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
    • todo
  • set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
    • todo
  • meeting Thursday 12.30 to go through the present installers
    • still to do
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • prepare a presentation on derivational grammar for the sma workshop
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
    • not done
  • fix double hyphen bugs
    • not done
  • fix PL hyphenator bugs
    • not done
  • fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
    • worked
  • infrastructure remake
    • not done
  • make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
    • done
  • replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
    • not done
  • meeting Thursday 12.30 to go through the present installers
    • wasn't necessary
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • Register oahpa.no
  • end user documentation (how to download and install) - dictionaries
  • fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

As of Tuesday last week, oahpa has had about 17 000 hits!

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

TODO

  • Register oahpa.no (Trond)

Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • continue gathering sma corpus texts (David, Jovsset)
    • older sámi radio texts would be very welcome as well (David)
    • Maja: NRK Nord-Trøndelag has a lot of recordings in sma, possibly also manuscripts - we should call them (Maja)
    • call Fylkesmannen i Nordland about sma material (Maja)
    • send Fritz Jakobssen a contract (Maja)
    • Š-bláđđi has some articles in sma, we should ask for permission to use it ( David)
    • follow up on the sma Bible translations (David)
    • the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Jovsset)
  • other contacts: Lena Davidsson, daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
  • make a 1-page, light version of the contract, also in Swedish ( Børre, David, Sjur, Trond)
    • Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
    • meeting to go through the 1-page version Feb. 11, at 9: 30 Norw. time
  • discuss infra improvements for corpus rep administration (Børre, Ciprian)
    • delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements

Promoting Divvun

We need more promotions of the Divvun tools. Making a movie demonstrating its use (screencast), and put it up on Youtube.

Next tour de Divvun probably in week 13. Per-Eric has talked to Sámij åhpadusguovdásj in Jokkmokk, they would like to also get a presentation.

TODO:

  • make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset, David)
    • better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls ( Jovsset)
    • add link to OOo installation and usage instructions (Sjur)
    • improve OOo instructions (Børre)
    • add Linux info (Børre)
    • add InDesign text (Sjur) - requires installer
    • review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office 2003 ( Jovsset)
      • text (Jovsset)
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. ( Leif Åge, Jovsset)
  • contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office releases (both Windows and Mac). The integration can/should be done by Polderland, which is an official MS subcontractor/integrator. It could be used by MS as part of their advertising for the next releases, and it will make it much easier for people to get access to the tools. (Sjur)
  • prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome (David)
  • make a screencast of using our tools (Børre)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

  1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
    1. test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
  2. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
    1. permanent chat rooms
    2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
    3. iCal server / group calendars
    4. wiki
  3. wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
  4. improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
    1. Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
    2. Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
  5. reorganise the documentation:
    1. differ between target groups
    2. get better grouping
    3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium and http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/) for a similar split)
    4. update/add missing parts
  6. migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
  7. change the look of the documentation web
  8. sfst?
    1. replacement for xfst -> see omorf , omorf wiki and omorfi
    2. replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
  9. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
  10. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
  11. update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target groups

SVN issues:

  • http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as anonymous checkout if the user is not specified)
  • read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
    • gt/*/polderland should be protected
    • plan should be protected
  • certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
  • UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled

TODO:

  • infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
    • more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
    • merge gt, kt and st into one
    • modularised preprocess and spellrelax
    • meeting Wednesday 13.00 (Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
    • alternatives to make:
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
    • delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
  • define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
    • delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
  • follow-up migration to svn:
    • close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
      • completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
    • prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
  • test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
  • remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
  • get a headset with microphone for Maja (Børre)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

South Sámi

TODO:

  • step two for adjectives (David, Maja, Trond, Sjur)
    • we'll try to find a time this week as well
  • finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs (Sjur, Trond)
  • Missing list (focus on closed class words and addition on missing nouns, adjectives and verbs) (David, Jovsset)
    • David made a new missing list from an OCR-ed book
  • workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
    • done
  • make a document for the SGL/SGM, sma section (David with Maja, Sjur)
  • finish the umlaut / derivation work (Thomas, Sjur, Tomi)
  • adjectives (Maja with David, Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
  • placenames (Jovsset)
  • abbreviations (David)

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms with a premade connection to our xml db. Orbeon XForms is such a tool (open source).

From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:

  • no major rework on the present search interface now
  • no work on the editing section; instead:
  • add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
  • add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality

This means the following tasks:

  • find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
  • convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
  • convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
  • add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)

TODO:

  1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
  2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  8. start to use the xml file as source file
  9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
  10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

Ciprian is working towards our first sma-nob/swe dictionary. He has also had a look at Pite (sje) and Kildin (sjd) dictionaries.

TODO:

  • Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve. ( Børre)
  • set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
    • not done
  • set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
    • waiting for the above
  • Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
    • started, not complete
  • Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries ( Sjur)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

The version we have at the moment (beta6) will be our last one for a while.

OpenXSpell

As a middle-man between Enchant and MacOS X speller API, this is still interesting. As a direct Hunspell front-end it is not, cf above.

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
  • test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
    • nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature

Speller testing

TODO:

  • test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)

Testing open-source Norwegian spellers

Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our test bench. The response has been positive, we'll see what happens.

We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work with language technology.

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland:

  • 621
  • 630
  • 652
  • 656
  • 676

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17

  • 399 - REGERSSION: missing numerals (plural forms)
  • 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
  • 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 581 - consonant doubling - seems FIXED
  • 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
  • 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - OPEN
  • 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat remaining - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
    • only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
  • 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
  • 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17

  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
    • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
  • 594 - REGRESSION: lågenanguoktáj not recognized
  • 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
  • 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but still OPEN

TODO:

  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17

  • 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
  • 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
  • 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
  • 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17

  • 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs - still OPEN
  • 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN

TODO:

  • fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)

Installer changes

TODO:

  • make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools (Tomi)
    • first version done
  • replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative (Tomi)
  • test InDesign installer (Sjur)
  • meeting Thursday 9: 30 to go through the present installers (Sjur, Tomi)

User documentation

TODO:

  • InDesign documentation (Sjur)
    • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

1.2 release

Content:

  • several smj bug fixes
  • lexicalisations
  • InDesign Mac & Win
  • new OOo beta
  • improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows

Other

Winter holidays

Who When
Sjur 16-20.2.
David 19-20.2.
Børre nothing
Maja nothing
Thomas nothing
Trond not holiday, but going to Greenland 16.2.-10.3.
Tomi nothing
Jovsset nothing

School in Troms have second week in March.

Text to speech

The TTS meeting with Antti was held (without Maja and Thomas). Topics:

  • what kind of feedback is needed from us? Quite a lot of linguistics

TNC, rikstermbanken and Sámi terms

RTB will be released:

  • Datum: torsdagen den 19 mars 2009
  • Tid: 14.00–15.00 (följt av mingel fram till 16.00)
  • Plats: Rosenbads konferenscenter, Drottninggatan 1, Stockholm

Available at: http://www.rikstermbanken.se

Corpus contracts + open source

Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).

Other issues

  • Maja would like to have a bigger monitor -> coming soon (it is ordered)
    • nothing new yet - Børre will call and check
      • Done. Installed and in use

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 9.3.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 13: 08.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

iCal

  • Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
  • improve OOo instructions for leaflet
  • leaflet: add Linux info
  • gt/Makefile remake
  • Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
  • make a screencast of using our tools
  • get a headset with microphone for Maja
  • make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi, Trond
  • fix bugs!

Ciprian

iCal

  • close the open SVN repository at requested paths
  • improve processing of new corpus documents
  • make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
  • take care of the error logging during conversion process
  • look at the xml conversion quality
  • make a list of (general and special) problems related with converting docs into xml-forat and adding them to the corpora
  • continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for lexicon working (no xml-file editing via text editors!)
  • build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
  • make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Sjur, Tomi, Trond
  • fix bugs!

David

iCal

  • continue gathering sma corpus texts
  • stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
  • Translate light version contract to swedish
  • contact the sami radio about older manuscrips
  • call Anne-Grethe Bientie and Bierna Bientie about bible texts
  • call Š-blađđi about south saami texts
  • reupload the Dejpeladtje muvhth vätnoeh jih vuekie text, which is corrected, into the corpus repository
  • prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome
  • sma abbreviations
  • make a document for the SGL/SGM, sma section
  • sma adjectives

Jovsset

iCal

  • get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
  • Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version. Possible through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi.
  • write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
  • leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office. Review especially the select sami language part.
  • Write installation instructions for word 2003
  • better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
  • work with missing lists
  • sma placenames

Per-Eric

  • follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
  • Call Gøran Matias Andersen about his smj texts
  • work with missing lists
  • fix bugs!

Maja

iCal

  • contact NRK Nord-Trøndelag about recordings in sma and broadcast manuscripts
  • more work on sma adjectives
  • send Fritz Jakobssen a contract

Saara

  • map oahpa.uit.no to victorio.uit.no/oahpa/
  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)

Sjur

iCal

  • name db/risten.no
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
  • InDesign documentation
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
  • Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
  • subcontractor work for sma proofing tools
  • support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
  • Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
  • contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office releases
  • leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
  • leaflet: add InDesign text
  • set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
  • set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
  • make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Tomi, Trond
  • meeting Thursday 9.30 to go through the present installers
  • sma umlaut / derivation work
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

  • sma umlaut / derivation work
  • sma adjectives
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • fix PL hyphenator bugs
  • fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
  • infrastructure remake
  • replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
  • meeting Thursday 09.30 to go through the present installers
  • sma umlaut / derivation work
  • make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
  • fix bugs!

Trond

iCal

  • Register oahpa.no
  • end user documentation (how to download and install) - dictionaries
  • make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi
  • fix bugs!.