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Meeting_2008-09-01

Meeting setup

  • Date: 1.9.2008
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

  • the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
  • the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 09: 48.

Present: Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Jovsset

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • repair G5
    • will send it to service
  • fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
    • not done
  • change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
    • done
  • Make a divvun-tools download log
    • done some research on which software to use
  • fix bugs!

Ciprian

  • close the open SVN repository at requested paths
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Trond)
  • define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Trond)
  • look at our existing dictionaries (ongoing work)
  • sketch suggestions for improved dictionary infrastructure (ongoing work)
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)

Jovsset

  • follow up on sma corpus texts. Call Sijti Jarnge and Gun Utsi.
    • I received one contract from sijti jarnge with only signature, I sent five. I will send the contracts once again and make sure that both parts know how to fill in them. I have talked to Harald Balto about that every contract need the both signatures.
  • get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form.
    • still working on in.
  • Write and translate leaflet text.
    • in progress
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi.
    • Nothing done yet.
  • Talk to author of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie, Christer Olofsson.
    • The author is positive to the project. It is though necessary to talk with the translator who wrote the south sami text. The reasaon is that she is not so used to computers and find the whole idea a bit suspicious.
  • letter to whomever it may concern about the divvun projekt. Translation needed to julevsami and finnish.
    • Only finnish translation needed now, the other translations are done.

Lene

  • Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore
  • follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
  • Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
  • contact Ulf Stefan Winka for smj texts
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

  • follow up on sma corpus texts
    • nothing done
  • name db/risten.no
    • nothing done
  • update the Changes document
    • nothing done
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
    • nothing done
  • InDesign documentation
    • nothing done
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Trond and Ciprian)
    • nothing done
  • define and document testing routines (with Trond and Ciprian)
    • nothing done
  • write leaflet text
    • nothing done
  • hire sma linguist
    • this took basically the whole week, but now it is done (some bureaucratic processing left to do, but that is outside me). Result: we will hire two persons, one starting ASAP for 6 months, and another starting in late November for the whole project period (names withhold until the decision is public). We'll try to get funding for the first person to continue after the six-month period.
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
    • nothing done
  • continue work with phon (with Patrik, Biret-Ánne, Thomas(?))
    • nothing done
  • fix bugs!
    • nothing done
  • other things:
    • wrote project proposal with Trond

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
    • nothing done this week
  • translate leaflet text
    • not yet
  • get updated list of Norwegian-Sámi name-pairs from Statens Kartverk
    • contacted them
  • fix bugs!
    • nothing done this week

Tomi

  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
    • not done
  • fix double hyphen bugs
    • not done
  • fix PL hyphenator errors
    • not done
  • fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
    • not done
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • Hunspell QA README and installation docs (ask Børre for details)
    • Not done now, but last time I installed Hunspell the documentation was helpful.
  • Set up Jabber for Lene
    • Passed on to Børre
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Ciprian)
    • Not done
  • define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Ciprian)
    • Not done, except looked at testing Makefile with Lene
  • Evaluate Hunspell README and installation docs (cf. Divvun frontpage)
  • Dictionaries
    • Worked a lot on dictionaries: Discussed split of smenob.xml and overall infrastructural questions, added POS marking
  • prepare external users: Jack Ruether
    • Not yet.
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Sjur)
    • Work in progress
  • fix bugs!.
    • Done some.

Pedagogical software online

Progressing fine.

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

TODO:

  • implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
  • get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
  • More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later

Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
    • see updates from Jovsset above
  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
  • other contacts: Nord-Salten avis ( Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
  • Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of smj texts (Per-Eric)
    • Thomas has discussed this with Per-Eric
  • plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
  • meet with the Sámi publishers (meeting delayed) (Jovsset)
  • add sma texts to the corpus rep (Børre, Ciprian)
  • get updated list of sme-nob place name pairs (Thomas)
    • e-mail sent, no answer

Promoting Divvun

TODO:

  • Make a download log (Børre)
  • use a newspaper or something to write about the tools from an end-user point of view (a review in Š, Ávvir, Nordsalten avis?)
    • Tomi will make one contact to Finland
    • ask the newspapers above about the best way to inform potential users in Sweden (Jovsset)
  • Prepare for a coordinated info campaign when Ped is ready (inform teachers about Divvun as well as Ped when we inform about Ped) - next year
  • Tour de Divvun (smj info tour) (Thomas, Per-Eric)
    • fix the date
    • make sure the leaflet is ready (see below)
    • bring some CD's
  • get a stable site! (Børre)
    • the divvun-site has been moved to the xserve, and seems to be working perfectly
  • e-mail list of interested persons (local "installers"/gurus should be on it)
  • make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset)
    • first draft available at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/leaflet.nb.jspwiki (there is also a Swedish version there)
    • translate text when it is finished (Thomas, Jovsset)
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. ( Leif Åge, Jovsset)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

  1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
    1. test bench enhanced, but not yet complete
  2. close certain parts of the svn code repository
    1. on the todo list
  3. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
  4. merge gt, kt and st into one
  5. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
    1. permanent chat rooms
    2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
    3. iCal server / group calendars
    4. wiki
  6. wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
  7. improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
    1. Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
    2. Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
  8. reorganise the documentation:
    1. differ between target groups
    2. get better grouping
    3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium (http: //www.apertium.org/ and http: //xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/) for a similar split)
    4. update/add missing parts
  9. migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
  10. change the look of the documentation web
  11. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
  12. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
  13. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?
  14. update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target groups

SVN issues:

  • http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as anonymous checkout if the user is not specified)
  • read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
    • gt/*/polderland should be protected
    • plan should be protected
  • everything will be google-able by default if the repo URL is posted
  • certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)

TODO:

  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • re-setup Jabber accounts in iChat (all, Børre)
  • follow-up migration to svn:
    • close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
    • prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
    • Ciprian has limited diff reports in the commit mails (adds and deletions)
  • setup iCal Server (on XServe) (Børre)
  • repair the G5 (Børre)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

http: //giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=711

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

  • sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond).
  • Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

TODO:

  • get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form (Jovsset)
  • hire a linguist (Sjur)
    • done (minus some bureaucratic processing)

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

TODO:

  1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
  2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  8. start to use the xml file as source file
  9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
  10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

September:

  • content revision of smenob:
    • split in noun, propernoun, adj, verb, other
    • make better content
  • fix the frontend issue (windows, linux)
    • Evaluate dictionary providers (Stardict, ...)
    • Platform?

TODO:

  • look at our existing dictionaries (Ciprian)
  • sketch suggestions (Ciprian)
  • Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
  • make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
  • make simple installer applications
  • make a public release
    • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
    • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
      • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
  • dictionary meeting Wednesday 9: 30 (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

TODO:

  1. change license on distros to GPL2+ (Børre)
    1. done
  2. QA README and installation docs (Trond)
    1. There are inconsistencies and potential for improvements there - report forthcoming (Trond)
  3. fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
  • test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller updates

PL has delivered their first drop of the MS Office 2008/Mac spellers. They should be tested.

TODO:

  • buy MS Office 2008 to all members of the Divvun team (Børre)
  • test the spellers (Divvun team)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

  • 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
  • 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
  • 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
  • 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
  • 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
  • 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
  • 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
  • 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
  • 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won't fix
  • 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
  • 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
  • other regressions:
    • skuvlajagin now accepted
    • skierranis now accepted

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
    • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr: s on lot
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
  • 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
  • 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won't fix
  • 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
  • other regressions:
    • gus NOT accepted anymore

TODO:

  • compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
  • 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
  • 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
  • 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
  • 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

  • fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)

InDesign tools

Nothing new.

Releases

We'll start to plan the 1.1 release after we have fresh speller and hyphenator test reports next week.

TODO:

  • update the Changes document (Sjur)
  • InDesign documentation (Sjur)
    • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Forthcoming Sámi allaskuvla conference

Info on the conference site.

Title submitted is: Goallosteapmi ja suorggideapmi Divvun-reaidduin

Registration: http://www.viaregi.no/registration/deltagerweb.aspx?kid=3440&aid=8700

Registration deadline is September 10.

TODO:

  • discuss article and presentation Thursday 9: 30 (Sjur, Thomas, Tomi)
  • register participants, see deadline above, decision next Monday

Summer vacations

The Divvun team should report their vacation days to Julie. Børre, Thomas and Sjur done, Tomi todo.

Corpus contracts + open source

Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 8.9.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11: 15.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

iCal

  • repair G5
  • fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
  • Make a divvun-tools download log
  • setup Jabber accounts in Tromsø
  • setup iCal server on the XServe
  • buy MS Office 2008 to Børre, Thomas, Tomi
  • fix bugs!

Ciprian

iCal

  • close the open SVN repository at requested paths
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Trond)
  • define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Trond)
  • look at our existing dictionaries
  • sketch suggestions for improved dictionary infrastructure
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
  • lern how to add texts to the corpus repository, see Corpus gathering (with Børre)
  • dictionary meeting Wednesday 9: 30 with Sjur, Trond

Jovsset

iCal

  • follow up on sma corpus texts. Call Sijti Jarnge and Gun Utsi
  • get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form
  • Write and translate leaflet text
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi.
  • Talk to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
  • e-mail to whomever it may concern about the divvun projekt. Translation needed to finnish.
  • ask Sámi newspapers about the best way to inform potential users in Sweden

Lene

  • Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

iCal

  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore
  • follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
  • Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
  • contact Ulf Stefan Winka for smj texts
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

iCal

  • follow up on sma corpus texts
  • name db/risten.no
  • update the Changes document
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
  • InDesign documentation
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Trond and Ciprian)
  • define and document testing routines (with Trond and Ciprian)
  • write leaflet text
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
  • continue work with phon (with Patrik, Biret-Ánne, Thomas(?))
  • dictionary meeting Wednesday 9: 30 with Ciprian, Trond
  • discuss article and presentation Thursday 9: 30 with Thomas, Tomi
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • translate leaflet text
  • get updated list of Norwegian-Sámi name-pairs from Statens Kartverk
  • discuss article and presentation Thursday 9: 30 with Sjur, Tomi
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • make sure gt/Makefile is working for PL speller compilation
  • compile a new set of speller and hyphenator lexicons Thursday
  • run speller and hyphenator tests on Friday
  • translate Jovsset's e-mail into Finnish
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • fix PL hyphenator errors
  • fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
  • discuss article and presentation Thursday 9: 30 with Sjur, Thomas
  • fix bugs!

Trond

iCal

  • Hunspell QA README and installation docs
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Ciprian)
  • define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Ciprian)
  • Dictionaries
  • continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Sjur)
  • Text-to-speech
  • dictionary meeting Wednesday 9: 30 with Ciprian, Sjur
  • fix bugs!.