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Meeting_2008-06-23

Meeting setup

  • Date: 23.6.2008
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

  • the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
  • the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 11: 50.

Present: Børre, Jovsset, Sjur, Trond

Absent: Per-Eric, Thomas, Tomi

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
    • done
  • try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
    • not done
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
    • not done
  • define and document testing routines
    • not done
  • fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
    • some done
  • e-mail to all involved/affected this week, to inform about svn change
    • done
  • send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
    • todo
  • write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
    • done
  • change license on distros to GPL2+
    • not done
  • fix bugs!

Jovsset

  • follow up on sma corpus texts
    • Done. I been in contact with Gun M Utsi. Gun M Utsi have almost agreed to let us use her texts from the book Bovsten guelmie. I have taken contact with Gullers förlag about the new south sami book. Still no answer. I still need to talk to the magazine Darpies dierie and also to the Š-blađđi (Iđut publisher).
  • translate leaflet text
    • Not done since I do not have any text.
  • Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
    • Not done. John Marcus was not at work last week.
  • Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen printing
    • Not done.
  • Presentation on sami publisher meeting
    • Not done, the meeting is postponed until the autumn.
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi
    • Not done.
  • Talk to Leif Åge about CD printing
    • Done.
  • Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the copyrights.
    • Done. They are positive to the idea, they just have to clear some things with their publisher.

Lene

  • get the ped content ready
  • Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

On vacation

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

  • follow up on sma corpus texts
    • looked at the nob-sma word-list available online
  • name db/risten.no
    • looked at a possible framework for a more modern approach to the risten.no interface/web front end
  • prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
    • tested a bit, updated local copy to the https protocol, diffs testing
  • update the Changes document
    • nothing
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
    • nothing
  • InDesign documentation
    • nothing
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
    • nothing
  • define and document testing routines
    • nothing
  • look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
    • nothing new, but the present setup will do
  • write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
    • small update
  • write leaflet text
    • nothing
  • talk to Leif Åge about CD printing
    • nothing
  • fix bugs!
    • nothing
  • other issues:
    • some post-board-meeting work

Thomas

On vacation

Tomi

On vacation

Trond

  • Set up Jabber for Lene, Saara
    • Awaiting new machines.
  • Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
    • Made an email list over victorio users.
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
    • Nothing.
  • define and document testing routines
    • Nothing.
  • Dictionaries
    • Worked on sme dictionaries, looked at nobsma as well.
  • write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
    • Done smth on documentation
  • prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
    • Nothing except the mail list : -(
  • fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

TODO:

  • get the content ready (Lene, Biret, Trond)
  • implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
  • get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
  • More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
  • Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
    • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
    • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

  • start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
  • other contacts: Nord-Salten avis ( Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
  • Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of smj texts (Thomas)
  • plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
  • meet with the Sámi publishers; main topics: ( Jovsset)
    • present the present project (Divvun II)
    • discuss inclusion of our contract in theirs (DG and Čálliid Lágádus already positive)
    • present the electronic dictionary sme-nob, with "inflectional intelligence"
    • also regular contracts, and how to make faster progress with them, especially for the south sami and julev sami publishers since we have few texts in these two varieties.
    • prepare meeting with Børre ( Jovsset)
  • make leaflet to inform about the project
    • write text (Sjur)
    • translate text (Thomas, Jovsset, Maaren)
    • talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures (Jovsset)
    • talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about printing (Jovsset)
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. ( Leif Åge, Jovsset, Sjur)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

  1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
  2. migrate to svn
  3. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
  4. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
  5. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
  6. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
    1. permanent chat rooms
    2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
    3. iCal server / group calendars
    4. wiki
  7. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
  8. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
  9. reorganise the documentation content:
    1. differ between target groups
    2. get better grouping
    3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
    4. update/add missing parts
  10. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
  11. change the look of the documentation web
  12. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
  13. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
  14. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

SVN issues:

  • root/prooftools not available - fixed (somehow)
  • http access not yet available
  • read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
    • gt/smX/polderland should be protected
  • everything will be google-able by default if the repo URL is posted
  • plan should be protected?

TODO:

  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • add Jabber account in iChat
    • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
      • Saara done
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
    • https access is now working. svn checkout https: //victorio.uit.no/repos
    • final conversion is now decided to the evening 23.6.
      • e-mail to all involved/affected this week, to inform about the change ( Børre)
      • send new e-mail 23.6 as a reminder (Børre)
      • write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients (command-line, GUI, diffs, etc) (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
      • test existing svn repository, esp. access regulation ( Børre, Sjur, Trond)
      • rewrite bashrc aliases geared towards cvs, if needed (Trond)
      • prepare and discuss with external users: Meänkieli group, Greenlandic group, Jack Ruether (Trond)
      • check all other users in group cvs (Børre, Trond)
  • try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
    • update the OS at the same time

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

  • sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
  • Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Jovsset will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

TODO:

  1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
  2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  8. start to use the xml file as source file
  9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
  10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

  • clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
  • make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
  • make simple installer applications
  • make a public release
    • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
    • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
      • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

TODO:

  1. change license on distros to GPL2+ (Børre)
  2. QA README and installation docs (Trond)
  3. fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)
    1. improving conversion

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
  • test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

  • 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
  • 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
  • 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
  • 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
  • 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
  • 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
  • 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
  • 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
  • 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won't fix
  • 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
  • 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
  • other regressions:
    • skuvlajagin now accepted
    • skierranis now accepted

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
    • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr: s on lot
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
  • 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
  • 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won't fix
  • 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
  • other regressions:
    • gus NOT accepted anymore

TODO:

  • compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
  • 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
  • 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
  • 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
  • 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

  • fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)

InDesign tools

Nothing new.

Releases

TODO:

  • update the Changes document (Sjur)
  • InDesign documentation (Sjur)
    • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

Summer vacations

Who When
Børre 30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
Jovsset ???, probably some in August
Per-Eric 11/6-30/6
Sjur Mainly in July, dates not set
Tomi 16/6 - 4/8
Thomas 23/6 - 18/7
Trond 30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 30.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 13: 18.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

iCal

  • update svn user documentation as needed
  • try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • define and document testing routines
  • fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
  • send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
  • change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
  • fix bugs!

Jovsset

iCal

  • follow up on sma corpus texts
  • translate leaflet text
  • Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
  • Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen printing
  • Presentation on sami publisher meeting
  • distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi

Lene

  • get the ped content ready
  • Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

iCal

  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
  • follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
  • Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

iCal

  • update svn user documentation as needed
  • follow up on sma corpus texts
  • name db/risten.no
  • update the Changes document
  • follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
  • InDesign documentation
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • define and document testing routines
  • write leaflet text
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

On vacation

Tomi

On vacation

Trond

iCal

  • Set up Jabber for Lene
  • make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • define and document testing routines
  • Dictionaries
  • update svn user documentation as needed
  • prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
  • fix bugs!.