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Meeting_2008-03-31

Meeting setup

  • Date: 31.3.2008
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

  • the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
  • the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10: 16.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Trond

Absent: Maaren, Lene, Tomi

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • gather sma texts
  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • InDesign documentation
  • update the Changes document
  • prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • fix bugs!

Lene

  • Ped project
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller

Maaren

  • Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

  • keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
    • Not heard anything from them
  • try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
  • Work with missing list from Tjaktjalasta, Lars-Matto Tuolja.
    • Nothing done
  • Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
    • Nothing done
  • Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
    • Keeping the contact
  • fix bugs!
    • Nothing done

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

  • gather sma texts
    • nothing new
  • name db/risten.no
    • nothing new
  • make an improved sma project plan
    • nothing new
  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
    • nothing new
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Trond)
    • nothing new
  • fix bugs!
  • other things:
    • cleaning up papers and reiserekningshelvetet

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
    • not any this week
  • try to fix 636
    • done with a little help from my friends
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller
    • not done
  • fix bugs!
    • some done

Tomi

  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • compile new speller lexicons
  • Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • Work on sma analyser and visl integration
    • Not done
  • try to fix 636
    • Done, fixed.
  • Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
    • Have read about the topic, that's all.
  • fix bugs!.
    • The assigned one, at least.

Pedagogical software online

TODO:

  • get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
  • More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postpone until later
  • Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
    • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded (Thomas, Lene)
    • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
    • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

  • start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
  • get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Ulf-Stefan Winka (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
  • other contacts: Nord-Salten avis, Børge Strandskog, Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
  • gather sma texts (Børre, Sjur, Trond, Joseph)
  • Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)
  • give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric ( Børre)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions:

  1. migrate to svn
  2. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
  3. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
  4. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
  5. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
    1. permanent chat rooms
    2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
    3. iCal server / group calendars
    4. wiki
  6. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
  7. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
  8. reorganise the documentation content:
    1. differ between target groups
    2. get better grouping
    3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
    4. update/add missing parts
  9. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
  10. change the look of the documentation web
  11. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
  12. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
  13. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

  • add Jabber account in iChat
    • check that all accounts are ready for iChat on the G5 (Børre)
    • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
    • SD: Svenne, Joseph (Sjur)
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

  • sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
  • Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new.

Name lexicon infrastructure

TODO:

  1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
    1. it works ok locally, set-up / config needs to be checked on the G5; probably easy to fix
      1. it works the same both locally and on the G5, relates to i18n setup in forrest
  2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  8. start to use the xml file as source file
  9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
  10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

OOo 2.4 is out, with support for the Sámi languages. And Skolelinux would like to add support for Sámi in the next Debian release, which implies a deadline around the beginning of May for us.

To ease conversion to Hunspell and similar formats, it would be extremely useful to add a stem border mark to all languages and all inflected words. Tasks involved:

  1. decide which markers to use for derivations and inflections (pot. also prefixes and suffixes)
  2. Decide where to put the suffix boundaries, On parent lexicon or on child lexicon; only on stem-suffix border, or also on suffix-suffix-border
  3. Add the boundaries to lexc (already done for sme derivations and proper names)
  4. Do the boundaries in twol compulsatory when called for

Børre has made what could be called the first beta of the Hunspell speller for sme. We now need to test and debug, and at the same time make smj ready for beta as well. We'll try to reach the May deadline with a reasonably good beta.

TODO:

  1. test the latest hunspell lexicon (Sjur)
  2. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme ( Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
  3. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme ( Børre, Tomi)
  4. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
  5. release a public beta at the end of April (Børre, Sjur)
  6. implement the derivations as separate "continuation lexicons" ( Børre, Tomi)
    1. done for sme

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
  • test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 425 - REGRESSION: other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
  • 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
  • 435 - roman numbers - REGRESSION: inflection of single letter numbers rejected (but is ok in smj)
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 452 - REGRESSION: several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
  • 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
  • 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
  • 607 - acro + hyphen - still OPEN
    • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
  • 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
  • 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 633 - double hyphens accepted in Word, not by cmdline speller - FIXED
  • 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
  • 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
  • 660 - abbr. not recognised - FIXED

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
    • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
  • 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
  • 607 - acro + hyphen
    • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
  • 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
  • 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
  • 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN

TODO:

  • compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
  • 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
  • 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
  • 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
  • 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja

TODO:

  • add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla (Thomas)
    • done

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

  • 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
  • 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs
  • 636 - hyphen before last char -> Divvun - FIXED

TODO:

  • lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos ( Thomas)
    • done
  • try to fix 636 (Thomas, Trond)
    • done

InDesign tools

We're waiting for an update from Polderland.

Windows installer

This point is now moved to the section for future plans, and will be tackled as time permits.

Releases

TODO:

  • update the Changes document (Sjur)
  • documentation (Sjur)
    • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:

  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 7.4.2008.

The meeting was closed at 11: 50.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

iCal

  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • InDesign documentation
  • prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • release a public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
  • fix bugs!

Lene

  • Ped project
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller

Maaren

  • Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

iCal

  • keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
  • try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send them contracts
  • Work with missing list from Tjaktjalasta, Lars-Matto Tuolja.
  • Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
  • Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

iCal

  • gather sma texts
  • name db/risten.no
  • make an improved sma project plan
  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Trond)
  • add Jabber account in iChat for Svenne, Joseph
  • test the latest hunspell lexicon
  • release a public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
  • update the Changes document
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

iCal

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller
  • Hunspell: add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

iCal

  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • compile new speller lexicons
  • Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
  • fix bugs!

Trond

iCal

  • Work on sma analyser and visl integration
  • Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
  • Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
  • fix bugs!.