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Meeting_2007-06-04

Meeting setup

  • Date: 04.06.2007
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

  1. Opening, agenda review
  2. Reviewing the task list from last week
  3. Documentation - divvun.no
  4. Corpus gathering
  5. Corpus infrastructure
  6. Infrastructure
  7. Linguistics
  8. name lexicon infrastructure
  9. Spellers
  10. Other issues
  11. Summary, task lists
  12. Closing

1. Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 09: 38.

Present: Børre, Maaren, Per-Eric, Sjur, Steinar, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Saara

Agenda accepted as is.

2. Updated task status since last meeting

Boerre

  • add sma texts to the corpus repository
    • not done
  • run all known spelling errors in the prooftest corpus through the speller
    • not done
  • add extraction of all known spelling errors in the regular corpus (not the prooftest corpus), and check that they are properly corrected
    • not done
  • update and fix our documentation and infrastructure as Steinar finds problem areas - low priority
    • nothing new
  • study the Hunspell formalism in detail - after beta release
    • read some more docu
  • add info to front page (incl. download links)
    • done
  • write separate page with detailed info (incl. download links)
    • a separate page for the beta speller, with installation instructions, etc.
      • done
  • translate press release, web pages
    • done
  • contact Davvi Girji / Mikal Aase
    • not done
  • test download and installation of beta release candidate on all platforms
    • done
  • test deinstallation of beta release candidate on all platforms
    • done
  • linguistic testing of speller beta release candidate
    • done
  • update Win installer package with latest speller lexicons
    • done
  • write and prepare README file
    • done
  • fix bugs!
    • fixed #405

Maaren

  • lexicalise actio compounds
    • working
  • Manually mark speller test documents for typos
    • done a little

Per-Eric

  • expand the smj typos list
    • contineud the work with typos list
  • add missing smj words
    • working and continue work with smj words
  • translate beta release docs to smj
    • done
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • improve cgi-bin scripts
    • add new features to the paradigm generator
      • done, to be installed this week
    • paradigm generator for Lule Sámi
      • done, same
  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
    • not done
  • compilation of verb lists
    • is this still a problem? No, at least if this relates to PLX conversion.
  • read the manual for graphical corpus interface and try to add files with Lars.
    • reading done, waiting for Lars.
  • fix bugs!

Sjur

  • finish press release for the beta
    • done
  • run all known spelling errors in the corpus through the speller
    • started work on integrating ccat in testing, but not finished
  • document the AppleScript testing tool
    • not done
  • integrate regression self tests with the make file
    • not done
  • improve speller test bench
    • not finished, see above
  • integrate the ccat speller testing options in the make file
    • not finished, see above
  • fix internet setup for Per-Eric's satelite modem
    • not finished, need to follow up the modem producer
  • look over the Bugzilla status mails
    • not done
  • contact Davvi Girji / Mikal Aase
    • not done
  • ask Xerox for a commercial lisense for the xfst tools on the G5
    • not done
  • check with Sámi publishing houses whether support for CS2 is still needed
    • Min Áigi is already using CS3, and Davvi Girji is moving to that one as well, appearently. Áššu is still using QuarkXPress/MacSámi (8-bit)...
  • send Beta RC Win and Mac installers to Polderland for testing
    • done - both passed
  • ń not considered word char in smj, not corrected to ŋ
    • bug forwarded to Polderland - fix is easy, can be delivered any time
  • forward list of PR recipients to SD
    • press release sent out, and we received a list of all recipients. We could still check against it to see if there are more recipients we would like to target
  • update Mac installer package with latest speller lexicons
    • done
  • write and prepare README file
    • done
  • fix bugs!
    • Bugzilla is showing inconsistent behaviour for recently added bugs (407-409), we need to investigate this. It also seems our webserver has been the target for a hacker attack, including fake bug reports in Bugzilla. This might explain why it has been so slow towards the end of the week.

Steinar

  • test actio compounds before public beta release
  • test download and installation on all platforms, following our instructions
    • done some tests
  • test deinstallation
  • Beta testing: Align manually (shorter texts)
    • not done
  • Manually mark speller test texts for typos (making them into gold standards), add the texts to the orig/catalogue
    • added texts
  • Complete the semantic sets in sme-dis.rle
    • no work this week
  • missing lists
    • no work this week
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

  • work with compounding
    • worked and still working
  • Lack of lowering before hyphen: Twol rewrite.
    • not done
  • translate beta release docs to sme and smj
    • done
  • implement –k ending in twol
    • done
  • Test Actio compounds in speller beta release candidate
    • done
  • linguistic testing of speller beta release candidate
    • done
  • smj: öä not accepted, only øæ (except for lexicalised names)
    • not done
  • fix bugs!
    • some work done

Tomi

  • add compounding restrictions to the PLX convertion
    • done, not finished
  • make PLX conversion test sample; add conversion testing to the make file
    • not done
  • improve prefix and middle-noun PLX conversion
    • not done
  • integrate the ccat speller testing options in the Makefile
    • not done
  • fix clitics in beta release sme speller
    • done, not tested
  • first part of multiword expressions not accepted
    • done, not finished
  • fix bugs!
    • fixed

Trond

  • Work on the web corpus issues
  • Postpone these tasks to after the beta:
    • update the smj proper noun lexicon, and refine the morphological analysis, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
    • Go through the Num bugs
  • fix bugs!.

3. Documentation

The open documentation issues fall into these three categories:

  • Beta documentation for testers
  • Documentation for the online corpora
  • General documentation improvement after Steinar's test (for open-source release)

TODO:

  • write form to request corpus user account (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
    • delayed till after the beta release
  • document how to apply for access to closed corpus, and details on the corpus and its use in general (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
    • delayed till after the beta release
  • correct and improve it based on feedback from Steinar ( Børre)
    • low priority
  • beta documentation (see separate beta section below)

4. Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • sme texts: no new additions, fix corpus errors during this month ( Børre, Trond, Saara)
  • missing nob parallel texts should be added if such holes are found ( Børre, Trond)
  • Go through the list of missing or errouneous nob texts, based upon Saara's perfect list (Børre, Trond)
  • add sma texts to the corpus repository (Børre)
  • contact Davvi Girji / Mikal Aase ( Børre, Sjur)
    • tried, no success yet

5. Corpus infrastructure

Nothing this week.

6. Infrastructure

TODO:

  • update and fix our documentation and infrastructure as Steinar finds problem areas (Børre)
  • fix internet setup for Per-Eric's satelite modem (Sjur, Børre)
    • this influences iChat, SEE sharing, and ARD connetions
  • Translate the paradigm pages to Sámi, fix all the se links ( Børre, Trond)

7. Linguistics

North Sámi

Actio compounds: most of them are already accepted as freely made compounds, the border can be exemplified with the following:

  BOAHTALADDAN  *boahtalladanmuorra - not base form, but which form?=derived
  BOAHTIN boahtinmuorra - base form
  oahpahahttin for example causatives are allowed
  oahpaladdanvuohki is okei, and all these -laddat + subst

Actual speller behaviour on the examples above:

boahtalladanmuorra
boahtaladdanmuorra - not accepted, suggestions:
    bohtaladdanmuorra - okei with -o- (Maaren disagrees?no she does not)
    bohtaladdanmuorra
bohtaladdanmuorra       bohtat+V+IV+Der1+Der/l+V+Der2+Der/adda+V+Der3+Der/n+N+Sg+Nom#muorra+N+Sg+Nom
    boahtáladdanmuorra - okei with á

boahtinmuorra - ok
oahpahahttin - ok
oahpaladdanvuohki - not accepted (it should be?), suggestions:
    oahppaladdanvuohki - this is correct according to Thomas
    roahpaladdanvuohki
    soahpaladdanvuohki
    ...

Maaren and Duomma disagrees about what is correct and not, needs to be resolved. (slight pause...) It is resolved: )

TODO:

  • lexicalise actio compounds. Example: vuolggasadji vs. vuolginsadji ( Maaren)
    • vuolgin- and vuolgga- , both are okei vuolggasadji and vuolgindássi for eks
    • possibly turn on free compounding as part of the PLX conversions (ie free compounding in the spellers, but not in the analyzers/transducers)
  • fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case o ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  • open up compounding for all actios (Tomi)

Lule Sámi

We received a pdf file containing the print ready dictionary. It has two columns, and it is difficult to extract any formatting information. This makes it difficult to differentiate between keyword and other information. Børre will try to get the dictionary in a more suitable format from Sami åhpadusguovdásj in Jokkmokk.

TODO:

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt ( Thomas, Trond)
  • write two-level rules to handle -ge/-k clitic alternation (Thomas)
    • done
  • ö/ä vs ø/æ in speller (Thomas, Sjur)
  • lexicalise words from the Olavi missing list, but check against the pdf original where in doubt (Inga)
  • investigate why actios of 3-syllable verbs are not accepted by the speller ( Thomas)
    • norm-lookup does not see these, ordinary look-up sees
  • investigate why some adverbs of 3-syllable adjectives are not accepted by the speller (Thomas)
    • norm-look-up sees some, but not all, ordinary look-up sees

norm-look-up:

tjiehkusit
tjiehkusit      tjiegos+A+Adv

basstelit 
basstelit       basstelit       +?

muttágit
muttágit        mutták+A+Adv


gåbddågit
gåbddågit       gåbddåk+A+Adv

allagit
allagit allak+A+Adv

gåbddågit
gåbddågit       gåbddåk+A+Adv

galmasit
galmasit        galmasit        +?

galmmasit
galmmasit       galmas+A+Adv

suohkadit
suohkadit       suohkat+A+Adv

låssådit
låssådit        låssåt+A+Adv

dibmásit
dibmásit        dimes+A+Adv

bihtjasit
bihtjasit       bitjas+A+Adv
bihtjasit       bitjes+A+Adv

oabmásit
oabmásit        oames+A+Adv
oabmásit        oabme+N+Sg+Ill+PxSg2

tjalmmisit
tjalmmisit      tjalmmis+A+Adv

stuoragit
stuoragit       stuorak+A+Adv

8. Name lexicon infrastructure

Decisions made in Tromsø can be found in this meeting memo.

TODO:

  1. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  2. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  3. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  4. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  5. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  6. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  7. start to use the xml file as source file
  8. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
  9. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  10. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  11. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  12. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

9. Spellers

OOo speller(s)

The MS Office Beta is now delivered, thus the following items move up on the priority list.

TODO:

  • add Hunspell data generation to the lexc2xspell (Tomi - after the PLX data generation is finished)
  • study the Hunspell formalism in detail (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Manually mark test texts for typos (making them into gold standards) ( Steinar)
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)

Testing tools

TODO:

  • document the AppleScript testing tool (Sjur)
  • improve speller test bench (Sjur)
    • integrate the ccat speller testing options in the Makefile (Sjur, Tomi)

Regression tests

TODO:

  • add extraction of all known spelling errors in the corpus (not the prooftest corpus), and check that they are properly corrected ( Børre, Sjur)
  • test the typos.txt list, and check that all entries are properly corrected ( Børre, Sjur)
  • consider how to do a regression self-test, ie, how to test the full wordlist (Børre, Sjur)
    • extract all the base forms in the lexicon, and run them through the speller
    • extract all SUB-marked entries, and run them through the lexicon
      • integrate these in the make file (Sjur)

Localisation

TODO:

  • translate beta release docs to sme ( Thomas)
    • done
  • translate beta release docs to smj ( Thomas)
    • done

Lexicon conversion to the PLX format

TODO:

  • install larger disks, new RAM on the G5 when they arrive (Børre)
    • not received yet, needs to check
  • ask for mklex for Linux (victorio) from Polderland (Sjur)
    • waiting for the offer (it should have been sent already)
  • ask Xerox for a commercial lisense for the xfst tools on the G5 (Sjur)
  • add compounding restrictions to the PLX convertion (Tomi)
    • hopefully before the Drag meeting.

Compounding restrictions

How to include compounding restriction comment tags in the transducers:

giv0ri:giv'ri ALBMI ; !+SgNomCmp +SgGenCmp +PlGenCmp
=> (using a perl script or similar)
+SgNomCmp+SgGenCmp+PlGenCmpgiv0ri:giv'ri ALBMI ; !+SgNomCmp +SgGenCmp +PlGenCmp

TODO:

  1. improve prefix conversion to PLX (Tomi)
  2. improve middle noun conversion to PLX (Tomi)
  3. improve noun + adjective PLX conversion: ( Tomi)
    1. compounding stems - how do we generate them? Using the java client? +SgNomCmp+Cmpnd = sáme–, should give the correct compounding stem, shouldn't it? We want to optionally go from: sáme- NLI to sáme NL: - NLI (->) NL, which means we should be able to extract correct compounding stems using xfst methods only.
    2. compounding tags - we need to obey them when making the transducers. Suggestion - see above.
  4. make conversion test sample; add conversion testing to the make file ( Tomi)
    1. to regression test / QA the PLX conversion.
  5. improve number conversion (Børre, Tomi)
    1. done
  6. ask for larger disk for the web server (Trond, Børre)
    1. done and installed

Errors in latest speller build

This list should be added to Bugzilla, and the list of fixes and known issues in future releases should be generated from it.

TODO after the final public beta:

  • first part of multiword expressions not accepted (Tomi)
  • compound restrictions/rules not yet integrated in speller fsts (but the tags necessary to do this can now be included in the transducer) (Tomi)
  • suomasápmelaš vs suopmasápmelaš - now both are accepted (which is an improvement - earlier only suopmasápmelaš was accepted). What is correct? Only the first one. The second one should be banned by the compound restrictions.
  • smj: öä not accepted, only øæ (except for lexicalised names) ( Thomas)
  • ŋ and ñ and ń in smj ( Sjur, Polderland)
  • move this list to Bugzilla (Børre, Sjur)

Public Beta release

RELEASED on Tuesday May 29.

Press coverage has been very good within the Sámi community - the coverage in Sweden and Finland, and in Norwegian-language media is not known.

TEST before public beta release:

  • Actio compounds (Thomas, Steinar)
    • done
  • download and installation on all platforms, following our instructions ( Steinar, Børre)
    • ok
  • deinstallation (Steinar, Børre)
    • MUST DO - /Applications/SamiProofingTools/deinstaller
      • done
  • linguistic testing (typos, at least one of the documents marked up by Steinar) (Thomas, Børre)
    • MUST DO
      • typos already done

TODO:

  • fix clitics (Tomi)
    • done, but not in released version, has to be tested
  • add info to front page (incl. download links) (Børre)
    • done
    • download page made, only needs to add the speller beta when it is ready.
    • done
  • write separate page with detailed info (incl. download links) (Børre)
    • done
    • a separate page for the beta speller, with installation instructions, etc.
      • done
  • translate press release, web pages (Børre, Thomas, whoever)
    • done
  • forward list of PR recipients to Berit Karen Paulsen ( Sjur)
    • update: the persons to contact are: Pål Hivand or John Markus Kuhmunen
    • done
  • update installer packages with latest speller lexicons (Børre (Win), Sjur (Mac))
    • done
  • README file: ( Børre, Sjur)
    • list of known issues
    • how to give us feedback
    • what to give us feedback about (including: send in your user dictionary after a month or so)
    • inform about the rights to the source, as well as the availability of the speller
    • needs to be written in all languages
    • make a PDF of the readme, to avoid encoding problems; text versions should be included too
      • done, and translated
      • swedish missing, Thomas translate, Per-Eric proofread
  • file list Windows (Børre)
    • not complete
  • proofreading using our own/Office spellers
    • done
  • check links (Børre)
    • done
  • test smj on typos (Børre)
    • tried, but got an error, thus skipped. Needs to be checked now.
  • final check of list of known issues - smj (Thomas - based on typos-results)
    • done
  • then update installers (Sjur)
    • done
  • e-mail SD-people/Leif-Åge et co with final links (Sjur)
    • done
  • send final PR text to SD
    • done
  • celebrate
    • NOT done - will do in Drag: )
  • resend the press release to some channels in Sweden, Finland and Norway ( Sjur)

10. Other

Summer vacation

When are we taking it? Please fill in the table below:

Name Starting Ending
Børre x x
Maaren 9.7. 10.8.
Per-Eric 9.7. 20.7.
Saara 2.7 3.8
Sjur x x
Steinar x x
Thomas 9.7. 12.8.
Tomi 9.7. 5.8.
Trond 25.6. x

Divvun people also need to send the dates to Julie Eira or Ellen Mienna Guttorm.

Corpus contracts

TODO:

  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Bug fixing

41 open Divvun/Disamb bugs, and 23 risten.no bugs

TODO:

  • look over the Bugzilla status mails (Børre)

The meeting in Drag

The Sámi Parliament board has its meeting June 19-21. We should use Monday 18. as our travel day, and return on Friday 22. Fly to Bodø, and go by rental car from there. It is also possible to go by car all the way from Tromsø, and it is even faster. Those going to Bodø are (at least):

  • Maaren (?)
  • Sjur
  • Tomi

11. Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 11.6.2007, 10: 30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11: 56.

Appendix - task lists for the next week

Boerre

iCal

  • add sma texts to the corpus repository
  • run all known spelling errors in the prooftest corpus through the speller
  • add extraction of all known spelling errors in the regular corpus (not the prooftest corpus), and check that they are properly corrected
  • update and fix our documentation and infrastructure as Steinar finds problem areas - low priority
  • study the Hunspell formalism in detail
  • contact Davvi Girji / Mikal Aase
  • install larger disks, new RAM on the G5 when they arrive
  • move list of known bugs to Bugzilla
  • update/check installed file list and paths for Windows
  • fix bugs!

Maaren

iCal

  • lexicalise actio compounds
  • Manually mark speller test documents for typos

Per-Eric

iCal

  • expand the smj typos list
  • add missing smj words

Saara

iCal

  • improve cgi-bin scripts
    • add new features to the paradigm generator
    • paradigm generator for Lule Sámi
  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Try to add files with Lars to the corpus interface.
  • fix bugs!

Sjur

iCal

  • run all known spelling errors in the corpus through the speller
  • document the AppleScript testing tool
  • integrate regression self tests with the make file
  • improve speller test bench
  • integrate the ccat speller testing options in the make file
  • fix internet setup for Per-Eric's satelite modem
  • look over the Bugzilla status mails
  • contact Davvi Girji / Mikal Aase
  • ask Xerox for a commercial lisense for the xfst tools on the G5
  • check with Sámi publishing houses whether support for CS2 is still needed
  • fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case o
  • ö/ä vs ø/æ in speller
  • study the Hunspell formalism in detail
  • move list of known bugs to Bugzilla
  • resend the press release to some channels in Sweden, Finland and Norway
  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • fix bugs!

Steinar

iCal

  • Beta testing: Align manually (shorter texts)
  • Manually mark speller test texts for typos (making them into gold standards), add the texts to the orig/catalogue
  • Complete the semantic sets in sme-dis.rle
  • missing lists
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

iCal

  • work with compounding
  • Lack of lowering before hyphen: Twol rewrite.
  • smj: öä not accepted, only øæ (except for lexicalised names)
  • fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case o
  • investigate why actios of 3-syllable verbs are not accepted by the speller
  • investigate why some adverbs of 3-syllable adjectives are not accepted by the speller
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

iCal

  • add compounding restrictions to the PLX convertion
  • make PLX conversion test sample; add conversion testing to the make file
  • improve prefix and middle-noun PLX conversion
  • integrate the ccat speller testing options in the Makefile
  • first part of multiword expressions not accepted
  • open up compounding for all actios
  • fix bugs!

Trond

iCal

  • Work on the web corpus issues
  • update the smj proper noun lexicon, and refine the morphological analysis, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
  • Go through the Num bugs
  • fix stuorra-oslolaš lower case o
  • fix bugs!.