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Meeting_2006-11-13

Meeting setup

  • Date: 13.11.2006
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Where we are
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

  1. Opening, agenda review
  2. Reviewing the task list from two weeks ago
  3. Documentation - divvun.no
  4. Corpus gathering
  5. Corpus infrastructure
  6. Infrastructure
  7. Linguistics
  8. name lexicon infrastructure
  9. Spellers
  10. Other issues
  11. Summary, task lists
  12. Closing

1. Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 09: 50.

Present: Børre, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Maaren, Saara

Agenda accepted as is.

2. Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • contact writers who already have received contracts
    • Not done
  • consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
    • Not done
  • consider more testing routines
    • Not done
  • update Maaren's Forrest installation to r430284
    • Not done
  • sma discussions with SD (with Sjur, Trond)
    • Not done
  • report improvements in aligner back to Øystein
    • Cleaned up tca2 to presentable state, sent the sources to him
  • add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5
    • Not done
  • consider infra for testing feedback
    • Not done
  • get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
    • Not done
  • check corpus contract issue
    • Not done
  • port all i18n work to the main branch (from the i18n branch)
    • Not done
  • update all forrest installations, including local patches
    • Not done
  • fix bugs!
    • Not done
  • other work:
    • Cleaned up in forrest. Fixed broken links, helped Trond with gtuit.
    • Moved Norwegian texts in Min Áigi
    • Searched for documents in the Sami Parliaments archive system
    • Worked on the rename script to Richard Valkeapää (NSI). Done.
    • Worked on aspell
    • Worked on wordlist

Maaren

  • investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command make wordlist TARGET=sme in victorio
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
  • create / check the paradigm grammar as exemplified above

Saara

  • add more texts to the graphical corpus interface
  • finalize server of the Xerox tools.
    • waiting for the grammar for paradigm generator
  • generate parallel corpus files manually (with Trond)
  • export corpus tools to location available to all (with cron), cf news disc.
    • done by copy_bin.sh and weekly cron script.
  • help Trond with some shell commands
  • plan the word form generator / data conversion script
    • what was this again..
  • other:
    • Implement upload of multiple files with the same metainfo
      • finally done, should be tested
    • create better versions of the bibles
      • done for smj nt, sme nt in progress, see news discussion about the format.
  • fix bugs!
    • done some

Sjur

  • name lexicon:
    • refactor SD-terms editor code
    • implement missing propnouns editing functions
    • implement improvements decided upon in Tromsø
  • hire linguist and programmer
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
    • done
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
    • no further discussion
  • sma discussions with SD (with Børre, Trond)
  • check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
    • not done
  • remove comparation from -laš derivations
    • done
  • plan the word form generator / data conversion script
    • done
  • consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
  • consider more testing routines
  • consider infra for testing feedback
  • get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
  • ask Julie Eira about SD employee seminar
  • check corpus contract issue
  • fix bugs!
  • other:
    • done a lot with the sme transducers, especially related to getting control over the derivations

Thomas

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
    • nothing done
  • find and study all derived words in our corpus (with Trond)
    • done
  • suggest which derivations could be generated
    • done
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in hyphenator
    • done
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
    • nothing done
  • check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
    • not done
  • fix bugs!
    • worked

Tomi

  • continue implementation of the speller lexicon conversion
    • continues
  • add hyphenation points to the generated output
    • not done
  • plan the word form generator / data conversion script
    • not done
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
    • Had a look at these, but not together with Thomas. Work still to be done.
  • get more sma texts, first the Bible / NT
    • Discussed with Ove Lorentz, not yet Bible
  • add corpus user accounts and access issues to Bugzilla
  • fix the corpus tag list in the cwb/ directory
    • Discussed corpus tag issues in the disamb team, not ready to revise cwb/ yet
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
    • Have had problems compiling the hyphenator, concentrated first upon the generator
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
    • Issue still open
  • sma discussions with SD (with Børre, Sjur)
  • check corpus contract issue
    • Only smj last week, and speller generation automat issues.
  • fix bugs!.

3. Documentation

TODO:

  • update all forrest installations, including local patches (Børre)
    • did some
  • port all i18n work to the main branch (from the i18n branch) (Børre)

4. Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • continue to help NSI to get their corpus (Børre)
    • fixed their filename renaming script
  • get sma Bible / NT texts (Trond)
    • still no contact with the priest
  • Discussions with the Sámi Parliament about sma ( Børre, Sjur)
  • send the filename renaming script to NSI; get their corpus (Børre)

5. Corpus infrastructure

Nothing new on any of the sub-issues.

User accounts and access

TODO:

  • add the issue with subissues to Bugzilla (Trond)

More texts to the graphical corpus interface:

TODO:

  • add text to the server (Lars)

Aligner

TODO:

  • report improvements in aligner back to Øystein ( Børre)
    • done
  • gather more parallel texts (Trond)
  • try out NT alignment strategies (Saara)

Language recognition

TODO:

  • get more sma texts, first the Bible / NT (Trond)

6. Infrastructure

Xerox tools wrapped as servers

Tomi has modified the server a bit, causing it to NOT work with the perl client at the moment. It should not be a big deal to fix it (three lines?). Saara will fix it.

TODO:

  • improve and finish the present prototype (Saara)
    • done, except for the paradigm generation (needs paradigm grammar)
  • fix the corpus tag list in the cwb/ directory (Trond)
  • create / check the paradigm grammar as exemplified above (Thomas)
    • not done

Hyphenator

TODO:

  • make new list of unrecognised forms (Sjur)
  • investigate unrecognised word forms (Maaren, Thomas, Trond, Sjur)

7. Linguistics

Names and multilinguality

We need a more principled approach to this.

Background: the name lexicon is getting attention from the SD name/terminology sections, and they would like to use our name lexicon also for public searching.

Observations:

1) Multilinguality is always optional.

2) We can observe that "foreign" names in texts follows a domination pattern: majority language forms can be found in minority language texts as real names ("Kautokeino produkter"), whereas minority language names almost always occur in majority language texts as citations. And citations should not be considered a natural part of the text.

3) When looking at our name classification, multilinguality varies according to:

Ani - weak/none? (pet, myth anim.  names)
Fem - weak (informative)
Mal - weak (informative)
Obj - strong
Org - strong
Plc - strong for the national and country names, weak (informative) for foreign
       names
Sur - none
Tit - strong (titles)

Suggestion:

We need to reconsider the all names in all languages policy. That policy is valid only for Fem, Mal, and Sur (and Ani and Tit?). For Obj, Org, Plc the rule should be that if they have multilingual names, each name should only be used in it's own language. Then we need a modification saying that majority language names can be included in minority language lexicons if attested in our corpus. Also, the majority language varies according to country (obviously), which means that in a speller context, we might consider tailoring spellers for each country, leaving out noise relating to majority language names from another country.

A further issue is whether we should reconsider our cohort policy. Today, Sur and Plc are different readings. An alternative would be to have them as secondary tags, not in conflict with each other:

"<Trosterud>"
        "Trosterud" N Prop Sur Sg Nom <<< @HNOUN
        "Trosterud" N Prop Plc Sg Nom <<< @HNOUN
"<Trosterud>"
        "Trosterud" N Prop Sg Nom <Sur> <Plc> <<< @HNOUN
"<Trosterud>"
        "Trosterud" N Prop Sg Nom &Sur &Plc <<< @HNOUN

TODO:

  • separate meeting for discussing this issue, Tuesday 14.11 after lunch (12.30) (Trond, Thomas, Sjur)

Derivation and spellers like Aspell

Done all for sme, needs to be redone for (or ported to) smj.

TODO:

  • find and study all derived words in our corpus (Thomas and Trond)
    • done
  • suggest which derivations could be generated (Thomas)
    • done
  • lexicalise the rest (Thomas)
    • to be done as they are found
  • redo the work for smj, including discussion regarding Actio ( Thomas, Sjur, Trond)

North Sámi

The following words are included in the normative list despite being marked with !SUB:

accompagnerejun
ábuhuvvože
ábuhuvvože      ábuhit+V+TV+Pass+Pot+Prs+Du1
áccohallagođežedne

TODO:

  • investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command make pl-wordlist TARGET=sme in victorio ( Maaren, Thomas)
    • done, to be redone (many times: -)
  • check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer ( Thomas, Sjur)
  • remove comparation from -laš derivations (Thomas, Sjur)
    • done

Lule Sámi

TODO:

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt ( Thomas, Trond)
    • Trond had a short look at it, needs more work
  • hire new linguist (Sjur)

8. Name lexicon infrastructure

Decided in Tromsø:

  • add logging facilities to the interface
  • add option to download local copies of the lexicon files directly from the db
  • batch editing (change all entries in the found set), should later be enhanced to allow selection of exceptions (the found set minus deselected items)
  • tag for excluding/including a name from certain applications
  • future epxansion: choose what info to display in the single language browser
  • display existing language entries when adding a new language to a record
  • add editor to change single, existing entries

Details can be found in the meeting memo.

TODO:

  • develop the needed XQueries and UI (Sjur, Tomi)
  • add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5 (Børre)

Postponed:

  • data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo
  • new version of xml2lexc (based on ccat), should handle complex names correct: construct entries like we have now from the different parts of a complex name entry

9. Spellers

Speller data generation

Tomi has made further improvements to the lexc2xspell code, and Sjur and Tomi had a short meeting on the feature set of it. We have asked for the full PLX specification to be able to output correct entries.

TODO:

  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info for the lexicon ( Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
  • make first version of the PLX data generation (Tomi)
  • add hyphenation points to the generated output (Tomi)

Automatic testing of the Word spellchecker

It should be possible to write a script that runs texts through Word from the command line, using a combination of shell script and AppleScript. MS Word has the needed AppleScript commands to run the spell checker.

TODO:

  • consider a script for automatic testing (Sjur, Børre)
  • consider more testing routines (Sjur, Børre)
  • consider infra for testing feedback (Børre, Sjur)
  • get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD ( Børre, Sjur)

Aspell

Børre has worked on the Aspell code, mainly to be able to explain how it works and help out one external, interested person.

Further discussion was forgotten, will be brought up in the next meeting.

TODO:

  • revitalize the Aspell work (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)

10. Other

Corpus contracts

TODO:

  • check corpus contract issue in a meeting Wednesday 9.30 ( Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • publish corpus contracts and infra on NoDaLi-sta (Sjur)

Bug fixing

61 open Divvun/Disamb bugs, and 24 risten.no bugs

Guess: 1/3 of the bugs are fixed already (?)

Task lists as iCal entries

TODO:

  • update Maaren's Forrest installation to r430284 (Børre)

Employee seminar in Alta

SD has an employee seminar in Alta 7.-8. December - should we go there? Sjur will ask Julie Eira if we have to go there.

TODO:

  • ask Julie Eira about SD employee seminar (Sjur)

11. Next meeting, closing

Closed at 10: 33.

Appendix - task lists for the next week

Boerre

iCal

  • contact writers who already have received contracts
  • send file rename script to NSI; get their corpus
  • consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
  • consider more testing routines
  • update Maaren's Forrest installation to r430284
  • sma discussions with SD (with Sjur, Trond)
  • add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5
  • consider infra for testing feedback
  • get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
  • check corpus contract issue
  • port all i18n work to the main branch (from the i18n branch)
  • update all forrest installations, including local patches
  • revitalize the Aspell work
  • check corpus contract issue in a meeting Wednesday 9.30
  • fix bugs!

Maaren

iCal

  • investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command make wordlist TARGET=sme in victorio
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator

Saara

iCal

  • finalize server of the Xerox tools.
  • help Trond with some shell commands
  • fix bugs!

Sjur

iCal

  • name lexicon:
    • refactor SD-terms editor code
    • implement missing propnouns editing functions
    • implement improvements decided upon in Tromsø
  • hire linguist and programmer
  • make new list of unrecognised forms in the hyphenator
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
  • sma discussions with SD (with Børre, Trond)
  • check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
  • consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
  • consider more testing routines
  • consider infra for testing feedback
  • get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
  • ask Julie Eira about SD employee seminar
  • check corpus contract issue
  • meeting discuss names and multilinguality Tuesday 14.11 12.30
  • redo the derived words work for smj
  • revitalize the Aspell work
  • check corpus contract issue in a meeting Wednesday 9.30
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

iCal

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
  • redo the derived words work for smj
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in hyphenator
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
  • check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
  • create / check the paradigm grammar
  • investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command make wordlist TARGET=sme in victorio
  • meeting discuss names and multilinguality Tuesday 14.11 12.30
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

iCal

  • make first version of the PLX data generation in lexc2xspell
  • add hyphenation points to the generated output
  • revitalize the Aspell work
  • fix bugs!

Trond

iCal

  • refine smj proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
  • get more sma texts, first the Bible / NT
  • add corpus user accounts and access issues to Bugzilla
  • fix the corpus tag list in the cwb/ directory
  • investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
  • decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
  • sma discussions with SD (with Børre, Sjur)
  • check corpus contract issue
  • meeting discuss names and multilinguality Tuesday 14.11 12.30
  • redo the derived words work for smj
  • check corpus contract issue in a meeting Wednesday 9.30
  • fix bugs!.